"A skilled player will eventually reach his high ELO, but it will take a number of games."

if that's the case, why do you have a problem with a complete reset? the top gpokr player never complaint that their money is gone......

Deal or no Deal... one of your first comments I should totally agree. Damn! But right. Den Nagel auf den Kopf getroffen!

"if that's the case, why do you have a problem with a complete reset? the top gpokr player never complaint that their money is gone......"

Why do we keep comparing the two? Gpokr is like a tournament with a 1500 buy-in. If you're in the top 100 at the end of the tourney, you get a prize. Can you imagine chess having regular resets every so often, where grandmasters have to spend a lot of time to again get to their rightful rank? Yes, they should be able to do it, but it becomes an exercise in futility.

You know, this is why the score system was a solution looking for a problem. Now it's giving this idea that we need a reset. So what if people camped with 2100+ scores? The first to get there had to get there by beating 1800s, 1900s, etc. Nobody "lifted" them there. Thus, nothing at all prevented anyone from unseating snufkin or whoever was on top most of the time. Instead, we all got this psychological barrier where getting to 2000+ was "good enough" and time to make a new account. The scores were put in to compel people to play with 1 account and force the top players to defend their positions, but there's no need for them to do that, over time, with the increase of ELO points in the system due to new players, nothing stopped anyone from dethroning the campers.

well.....i just want to say for the last time, reading the comments from everyone, it is a fact that most of those who vote against a complete reset are the ones with a current high ELO. I can't help but think that you are just protecting your ego but not voting towards the common good/goal - which is to enhance the gameplay and make kdice more enjoyable for EVERYONE.

and another thing is, even with the mass number of voters here,it does not constitute a representative sample compared to the hugh number of register accounts here. so, why take only the opinion of the one minority group(the ones with high ELO) over the other (those who feel that it's extremely for good new players to climb the ranks)?

That's a logical fallacy, you observe a number of people here with both high ELOs and against an ELO reset, and figure that therefore all those with an above average and lower ELO (32,000+ users) are for a reset.

Secondly, new players can climb the ranks of ELO easily - they cannot climb to the top of the scoreboard anymore unless they play 24/7. To reset ELO is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Thirdly, to go all ad hom on you, it has been established that your phoenix schtick can ruin individual games for other players, having dead lands to work around - and hmm...its purpose is to prove someone can get from 1000 or lower back to 1500.

I personally grew to not give a crap about the score, but it can still be another way to look at things. Wanna make it a monthly tournament score? Great! Want to not reset it and look at it as a lifetime achievement? Cool! For that matter, nothing prevents both measures from being saved and displayed. But I still view ELO as the proper measure of skill. I hope I'm not alone. Why can't we have the best of both worlds and only reset score?

yes you will find a lot of the people with high ELO dont want to reset but you will also find that most of the people with high ELO are the same people that had a high ELO before the last reset, so does this not tell you that the reason they have a high ELO is cos they are a good player

Also i think a lot of the reson why they dont want a reset is people get fed up with working they way up the tables to get back to where they were

to resume... it´s hard work to climb up the ELO-rating, but it´s doable for skilled players... and also for new players, when they got a little bit experience.

the new scoring system is based in this ELO, but it´s only "addictionable"?? you can´t loose points. So it´s for a new player very hard to get to the Top 25, even if he is on the Top of the ELO-rating.

So I think it will be smart to combine a constant ELO-Rating with a monthly reset of the score-rank. It will enlive the high-rated players on the ELO-Top to play, and it will a fair chance for newcomers to climb up.

But it avoid some disappointments about playing with these more unskilled players, where also the psychological part of this game is more about luck then on the upper tables, ´cause you can´t predict their behaviour...

And this is the essence of this game and differ skilled from less skilled players... cheers!

acccountx3: on the flip side of your argument; it seems to me that the vast majority of the people who are advocating an ELO reset are the people that have currently LOW elo... what is to say they are not doing this to stroke *their* ego's, and close the vast gap between their own skill rating and the upper echelons..