I disagree.... I like the sense of community it builds, and adds a bit of strategic diplomacy to the game.

I hate when I should clearly get first and then I get screwed by an alliance. However, when I'm in that allaince I like it. So...

That being said. I dont' think we should remove it.

I would vote for that. Voting system for the users? It's a game for users, not for the creator?

I don't agree

Volker- there are these things called "ideas" which you can "vote" for.

However, I suspect that Ryan wouldn't go for this idea, since he likes the community & removing chat would kill the community.

well the problem as far as im concerned is not alliances, but the alliances that circumvent chat. So you don't know until it becomes obvious,

i don't do alliances often myself, but tis those who need to be sneaky about it that annoy me.

So chatting isnt the problem, it's those that hide the fact that alliances exist and do it without chat.

StunnedFazer, whats your idea to stop allys? axendo's is only one I heard which I believe in.

Allys make me sick. 1500 and 1700 boards are full of allys. Thats why I play for last place and not first place, else this game wouldn't be fun anymore. Can someone beat 813 points? ;-)

Guess what people ally at the 1900 tables too. Alliances are part of the game. Stop whining about it. Either make alliaces or lose. StunnedFazer did not propose an idea for preventing alliances because he understands that they are part of the game.

pregame alliances will be there even without chat. People will just communicate over eg ICQ or skype

"This game is about strategy, luck and diplomacy."

I think it was Ryan who said this.

thx NewOne 3! He said it...

So - in my opinion alliances and the diplomatic part is the most attractiv point in this game.

The probelm is that you´re only remarking alliances, if they are succesfull. But even they often lose! I play so often with friends, but we lose this game in the early phase... and sometimes we´re winning.

Also I lost some games when I was in the winning position - in an alliance with two friends. But the 2nd and the 3rd recognised that and made a conter-alliance and they won... So - what´s the problem about??