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Dropping 3 points a day is unfair simply for inactivity
A_Nihilist wrote
at 11:46 AM, Friday January 12, 2007 EST
I thought the scoring system was based on elo.

Now I admit I don't know a lot about elo but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't drop your score for inactivity. I mean its meant to reflect how good you are. Not how often you play.

I appreciate that theres a lot of people wanting to encourage the top players to play but this isn't a good solution IMHO.

I'd prefer to see a point bonus for activity rather than a point reduction for inactivity.

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TheGrid wrote
at 3:33 AM, Saturday January 13, 2007 EST
about top players not playing.

If you play for the score, you got something wrong in your mind. You play this game for the fun of playing. Over and out.

(That is unless there is a place I don't know where you can trade your score for goods and services..)
Noonsaliwah wrote
at 9:05 AM, Saturday January 13, 2007 EST
I think that the score should fall only for higher rank players, and towards 1900 (or perhaps a little higher). The only reason for inactivity-falling is for very high rank players; there's no good reason to do it to lower-rank players.

It should gravitate to about 1900 so that if players leave for a looong time they should still have a reasonable score; they are still good players, after all.

Also, yeah, weekly instead of daily.
Yce001 wrote
at 9:14 AM, Saturday January 13, 2007 EST
Well, i must agree, there should be another solution than drop points for inactivity, cause at the moment i'm having my exams, and playing each day is not always an option, so i'm being punished for not being able to play, not for not wanting to play, and sorry, but that is just ridiculous. I know people should be subracted points for not playing, but a daily basis certainly is NOT an option!
Yce001 wrote
at 9:36 AM, Saturday January 13, 2007 EST
Well, the first reply i gave seems to have a error, so i'll go at it again.

Well, i agree with nihilist, points dropping everyday is just not a good method of a ranking system. I am at this moment in my exam period, and playing every day is just not always an option, so should i be punished for not being able to play, while i would have if i could? This is just ridiculous. There should be some point substraction for inactivity, but this is over the top.

PS: everybody who's complaining about people not playing are just players who aren't patient enough to play until they get higher ranks and want an high rank by playing less, and that gets us back at the start!
Ryan wrote
at 9:51 AM, Saturday January 13, 2007 EST
Over the past 6 weeks there have been a lot traffic. A small percentage will probably not use their account again. Having these unused accounts makes the ranking system cloudy.

Once the top 250 players are fairly active... playing 1 per week approximately.. I don't think there is a need for the point drop.
the brain wrote
at 11:47 AM, Saturday January 13, 2007 EST
"If you play for the score, you got something wrong in your mind."
In my experience with ranked online games there will always be people who play for ranks, no matter how inaccurate the rankings may be. For them that's their piece of fun, and imo there's nothing wrong with that in principle.

"I am at this moment in my exam period, and playing every day is just not always an option, so should i be punished for not being able to play, while i would have if i could? This is just ridiculous."
An analogy: this would be like the #1 ranked tennis player saying: "well, I want to play, but I don't have the time anymore, yet I do want to keep my rank", which is just as ridiculous.

"PS: everybody who's complaining about people not playing are just players who aren't patient enough to play until they get higher ranks and want an high rank by playing less, and that gets us back at the start!"
And everybody defending people not playing are in fact people who are not playing because they are afraid to lose a high rank. There are two sides to every story...
JKD wrote
at 1:37 PM, Saturday January 13, 2007 EST
'An analogy: this would be like the #1 ranked tennis player saying: "well, I want to play, but I don't have the time anymore, yet I do want to keep my rank."'

imo this analogy does not apply to rating systems based on elo.
fuzzycat wrote
at 2:53 PM, Saturday January 13, 2007 EST
JKD, well it does. What do you think would happen to Kasperov if he says... oh well I wont play anymore, because i always have an headache.

Or wait, there is more. Kasperov would not play against a chess beginner, because he would be afraight about loosing his rank!

WHAHHAHAHAHAHA.
fuzzycat wrote
at 2:59 PM, Saturday January 13, 2007 EST
When this about correcting the current wrongs, just make a reset its much better for psychology and player mood. Why?

Make bad things fast and at once! This is old wisdom. Even Machavelli wrote already about this.

Think about this, you get a speeding ticket for 120 bucks. A week later the police writes you, they made an error and charge you 180,- instead. Now you are mad, right? You complain, they write back, yes they made again an error they charge you 220,-! What would have happened if they chared you 220,- first place? Well would have been better. Or think about them charging you 300,- you complain, and they write okay you only have to pay 220,-! Wow how lucky you are!

Therefore one score reset, yes people will complain, some will threat to go. Bla bla, in 2-3 days its over and everyone is happy. Now you have people complaining about score drops months long. And people will in total be much unhappier, even if they are not that unhappy at a short period.
JKD wrote
at 3:04 PM, Saturday January 13, 2007 EST
ELO is designed so that Kasparov can be compared to people that quit playing chess over 50 years ago.

He wouldn't be afraid because someone with his true rank would expect to defeat true beginner rank players let's say 999/1000 times.

It's not perfect but in chess it seems reasonably accurate. I believe there is potential for it to work about as well in kdice but
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