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The Ultra-Fair Solution
Davil wrote
at 7:27 PM, Thursday March 15, 2007 EDT
Since there is an inordinate amount of complaining/fear/discussion about PGAs, a possible solution is to create an alternate scoring system based on a random tournament style structure. Users could enter the "tournament" and would be randomly assigned to a table regardless of rating. The current rating system would still be used, but it would be calculated separately from games where you can pick the table you sit at.

The benefit of this system would be that all players would get a chance to play against each other, and one could get a true measure of rank without the impedence of graduated tables. In theory, more skilled players should be able to win more often against low skilled players. One wouldn't be able to build a huge ELO lead, but by keeping track of score points, a fairly static top 25 should be attainable. In order to avoid massive score fluctuation, the ELO formula would need to be tweaked to reduce the amount of points gained or lost in a game.

The cost is that one wouldn't be able to play with one's friends, but by keeping the current system alive and separate, those who want that could still get it. Another cost is that the community of higher ranked players wouldn't continually play with each other--but this could be a good thing--a way for them to prove their skills in a different way.
Another cost is that newbie and disruptive players could sabotage games--although surviving this is a skill in itself.

The "tournament" could either be a fixed length with a winner and a score reset, or ongoing.

I know this should have been on the ideas page, but I thought it was pertinent to the ongoing PGA discussion.

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Louis Cypher wrote
at 4:04 AM, Friday March 16, 2007 EDT
The idea is not bad, but lower ranked players tend to like the idea of killing the big guy. You can easily test this by joining an open table...

If you slightly modify your idea by using the random placement at tables but increase the probability to be placed at a table with similar score, you could still end up at a low table but it will not happen frequently. And you still have a higher chance of meeting people you know...
JDizzle787 wrote
at 7:10 AM, Friday March 16, 2007 EDT
Are you talking about an actual tournament? or just a different area of random placement so no one can have PGA's?

Nice try for the idea, but I have thought of a possibly easier way, if people want it and it is possibly by Ryan: check a box that indicates who you're allied with. But, I don't know how that would work.

This could just be a phase. People may forget the PGA's. And, if you want a tournament, The idea was lost. I will put it up again, and it would allow the newbs, or experienced-but-their-score-doesn't-show-it players(like me) to take on the high ranks.
49 from each country, 7 finalists in nationals, and 1 to represent each at the last table could be an interational championship.

And Davil, why not play with friends? I don't want to argue the stupid PGA thing again, but I'lll say it once more in one sentence: bad PGA=for points, good PGA=friends or siblings avoiding each other b/c of their relationship.
fuzzycat wrote
at 7:27 AM, Friday March 16, 2007 EDT
the score should refelect how good you are playing kdice, not in how good you are choosing the right opponents to play with, this is ment threefold:
* making PGAs
* avoiding other peoples PGAs
* choosing the correct ELOs score to play against, to "ascend".

Therefore it would make sense to split into tournamented and non-tournamented games. First are anonymous and autoassigned, just as Davil explained, the second are just for fun, play with friends/foes whomever you like.
accountx3 wrote
at 11:39 AM, Friday March 16, 2007 EDT
there is no absolute fairness in kdice......
JDizzle787 wrote
at 6:24 PM, Friday March 16, 2007 EDT
you can say that, but the values of everybody at your table can disagree
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